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Thursday, August 22, 2013

Questioning Facebook: Can't Delete Me Here - HUGE Trigger Warning (incest promoted on Facebook)

I did a horrible, no-good, very bad task. I entered the word "incest" in the facebook search engine and stumbled upon pages that support incest; make fun of incest; I don't know what else because I was too afraid to actually "click" on the pages to even see what was they were all about. I was appalled. Disgusted. Freaked out.

However, writer that I am... I am naturalistically curious and a voracious researcher, so I clicked on one facebook page called, "Incest is Best". I immediately reported it to facebook and posted information on my support group page to help me shut the group down. Guess what happened? Facebook not only declined my request to shut the page down, they also blocked me from going to the "Incest is Best" site, as that group reported me as harassing them!

I am all for freedom of speech, so although this scenario is appalling to me, I cannot argue with the ethics of their right to have whatever page they want on facebook. I guess since it doesn't set out to exploit children, per se... there is no criminal intent. But, ugh and really?

I've railed against PTSD jokes in this blog. I was shocked when we watched "Airplane" to notice the blatant jokes about molesting a little boy. When is the concept of molestation and incest going to be so appalling, no one will ever joke about it again?

What exactly is this page anyway? The info says: "This is page is all about incest sex relationship between family members, like Brother sister sex, father daughter sex, mom son sex. Like this page for incest fun"

This must be a joke, right? 78,688 people "like" the information page "Incest". 395 members belong to the closed group "first milk and first fuck from my mom". 4,255 people "like" the page "Incest Family". 4,614 friends belong to "incest lovers only" community.

The world's gone mad. I have to stop this research now because my head hurts; my heart hurts; I feel demoralized.

Perhaps it is also, in part, because I have never explored pornography on the internet that I feel so shocked at seeing these pages on facebook. Pornography was a method of torture used on my little girl self, so I have avoided it my entire adult life. Therefore, perhaps I am just really naïve to the craziness found therein.

Wait a minute... I went back to research again and found pictures on "incest lovers only" with captions I will copy/paste right here, word for word:

"Reaction of sister during forced fucking by real brother incest" (she looks like she is being raped)

"be a good girl and take daddies cock incest" (even worse... bad grammar)

"Daddy fucks his daughter as his whore"

"Dad says to daughter not to tell mom about this incest"

Okay... if this page can exist on facebook, it is time for me to reconsider. Facebook, I think we are about to break up. Delete that.

~Elizabeth Beck, Living with Memories

Thursday, November 13, 2014

Facebook Has an Incest Problem - Trigger warning

This extraordinarily creepy post is still up despite many complaints to Facebook.

Facebook responded:

We reviewed your report of Kinky Geeks of Chicago's photo

Thank you for taking the time to report something that you feel may violate our Community Standards. Reports like yours are an important part of making Facebook a safe and welcoming environment. We reviewed the photo you reported for containing nudity and found it doesn't violate our Community Standards.

There is not a good way to report posts like this. When I tried to report it myself, I listed my grievance as "This is pornography", which Facebook describes as "includes nudity, sexual arousal, sexual acts, individuals soliciting sex." After I was told the post did not violate their community standards, I then tried to report it as "something else" I chose "bodily harm" of which Facebook includes "graphic injury, bodily harm or animal abuse or torture. (Not abuse or torture of women or girls - abuse or torture of animals).

I can't think of anything that does more bodily harm than incest. Incest is it's own horrendous form of torture.

When another woman wrote to the page itself, asking them to take the picture down, she was given this reply:

"There is nothing wrong or hurtful about it. Sometimes a grown woman needs the comfort from a man that a father figure would give. this says nothing about age and appropriate boundaries are met. There is no pedophilia here. There is no abuse. There is nothing pornographic either. All it talks about is comfort, love, and security.

For the record, a "little" is an adult of consenting age that pretends to be younger. We do not promote abuse to women or children.

This is between consenting adults. If you can give a real and valid reason for it's removal I would be glad to remove it. Until then go get a good hug and feel the love...."

I have posted about Incest promoting pages on Facebook before.

Many pages have since been removed, but there are others still up including, but by no means limited to:
Family Incest Lovers - which actually says, "Just for fun"
Incest Stories - which promises to report your Facebook account as fake if you report them
Incest Roleplay
Incesto-30
Incesto-real
Incest Sister
as well as multiple private incest-promoting groups.

Perhaps Facebook should read Mia Fontaine's chilling Atlantic piece, America has an incest problem.

It seems that Facebook has an incest problem, too.

Monday, June 10, 2013

Kids raped, sodomized on Facebook pages

Just came across this article yesterday. It is from May 2012, but it's still relevant. The sad thing, nothing has changed.

Bombshell! America's favorite social network is a child-predator playground

HUGE TRIGGER WARNING - the pictures are blurred for the most part but disturbing. This is part one of a series.

I looked up a few incest pages to see if they're still there - and then I just had to stop.

Incest family 47,000+ likes

Interest: Incest 132,000+ likes

Incest with Sister 19,000+ likes

Tuesday, June 11, 2013

Elephant Journal Blocked for Posting Hafiz

Facebook took down Elephant Journal's Page because they posted this:

What do sad people have in common?
It seems they have all built a shrine to the past
And often go there and do a strange wail and worship.
What is the beginning of happiness?
It is to stop being so religious
Like That.

~ Hafiz

Scary stuff, eh? So happy to see Facebook is tackling the hard stuff, while the incest pages stay up.

UPDATE:

Good news! Upon examination (and after 18 hours and dozens of emails) Facebook just admitted they’d flubbed and restored all access for elephant. (We’re waiting for most of our admins to be granted access once again to their own profiles, pages, friends.) We’re exhausted and just spent a day paying to work on well, nothing productive.

Losing our access to our Facebook pages? No big deal–just sets me and elephant back three years, block the accounts of 20 volunteer admins who didn’t do anything wrong, result in losing 60% of our readers and revenues, forcing layoffs and probably foreclosure, again–unless I get assurance this won’t happen again (unless we actually violate their guidelines), which we would never want to do, well, Facebook effectively holds the keys to our business and our mission. ~ ed.

See post on Elephant Journal

Wednesday, May 18, 2016

Girl God Founder Trista Hendren banned from Facebook (again) for birth photo

This birth painting by Lucy Peirce was NOT banned by FB but was shared here so that people could share this post without being banned by Fb as well.

I was asked recently by the Online Hate Prevention Institute to issue my comments after another teen girl attempted suicide after extensive Facebook bullying.

Facebook is notorious for censoring women’s non-sexualized bodies in everyday use. If empowering images of women’s bodies can be meticulously pulled down in the name of “Community Standards”, there is no reason in the world that Facebook cannot better monitor the use of their site to bully children. Mark Zuckerberg wrote a rather public birth announcement for his daughter Max last year:

“Max, we love you and feel a great responsibility to leave the world a better place for you and all children. We wish you a life filled with the same love, hope and joy you give us. We can’t wait to see what you bring to this world.” It is time for him to put his money where his mouth is. Our children’s lives depend on it.

Read my full statement and the story that led up to it here.

After posting my commentary, my scheduled posts stopped worked for several days on Facebook. When I reported this to Facebook, they eventually fixed it, but then I was notified the next day that I had been banned for 3 days for the following birth post.

“This was motherhood without mystification, maternity ‘without its make up on’, a movement that has alternatively been praised and criticised by the medical community, feminists and politicians for its insistence upon the primacy of the mother figure in a child’s life and of the child in the mother’s life” … it is “part and parcel of the feminist movement, and is based on the premise that if a woman is to be strong, she must take responsibility for her childbearing and child-rearing functions herself rather than remain dependent upon male authorities for guidance” -Nancy Rubin, The Mother Mirror

Photo via Positive Birth Movement

I am not sure why this suddenly violates Facebook's "community standards" as I have posted this same photo multiple times for well over a year, including here and here.

Facebook's ban is an annoying waste of my time; however they have made my point for me, again. I have said this many times, but females need another social network.

I have appealed Facebook's decision but have not heard back. Meanwhile, Facebook is filled with pages about incest and other disgusting pages.

Wednesday, December 5, 2012

Facebook's Rape Pages

Dear Fred,

My honest reaction to your belief that a page like “It’s NOT rape, simply free sex” deserves freedom of speech is: horrified.

This is magnified by the fact that many feminist pages and breast feeding images are being censored, taken down and/or suspended while these pro-rape pages are allowed to stay up despite hundreds of reports. This is quite hypocritical and seems to be coming from a place of deep denial about what is actually going on here: Facebook’ penchant for favoring rape culture over women's empowerment.

Apparently, Facebook's policies can be summarized as the following:

Written words, memes and photos advocating violence against minorities: Hate speech, harmful and will be deleted.

Written words, memes, and photos advocating violence against disabled people: Hate speech, harmful and will deleted.

Written words, memes, and photos advocating violence against immigrants: Hate speech, harmful and will be deleted.

Written words, memes, and photos advocating violence against animals: Hate speech, harmful and will be deleted.

Written words, memes and photos advocating violence against people of different religions: Hate speech, harmful and will be deleted.

Written words, memes and photos advocating violence against people who are gay and transgender: Hate speech, harmful and will be deleted.

Written words, memes and photos advocating violence against women: Free speech, not harmful and will be enabled, supported and defended in every way possible while hiding behind the First Amendment.

Facebook's "rape pages" violate their own terms of agreement because they organize or lead to real world violence by contributing to rape culture. Facebook's rape pages are propaganda, which desensitize people to sexual violence and diminish its impact in the real world.

Propaganda does have an impact on attitudes and behavior.

It's hypocritical to delete pages that pertain to sexual violence towards children, but support and defend pages that pertain to sexual violence towards women.

By your own admission, women are a protected category of people because of the inclusion of "gender" in the following statement: "We interpret hateful content to mean direct attacks on any protected category of people (based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation, disability or disease)." Facebook's rape pages attack a protected group—women.

It's true that rape can happen to both men and women. However, Facebook's rape pages aren't about the rape of men; they predominantly focus their attention on the rape of women. Moreover, only 3% of rape victims are men, so rape disproportionately affects women.

Why are pages about sexual violence towards children deleted, but pages about sexual violence towards women supported and defended? Isn't sexual violence towards women just as wrong as sexual violence towards children?

I assume that you are deleting pages that advocate sexual violence against children because they represent a direct threat of harm to children. Why is sexual violence towards children not considered protected speech and considered to be a direct threat of harm, but sexual violence towards women is “humor “and protected speech and not a direct threat of harm? Isn't sexual violence of any kind a crime, no matter who the victim is?

Why is one less of a "direct threat to harm" than the other? Facebook is not applying its policies consistently. If you came across a Facebook page that advocated slipping roofies into the drinks of toddlers to make it easier to rape them, and made a bunch of jokes about raping children, you would not ask them to insert a (Controversial Humor) disclaimer in their title. You would delete the page. But when you come across a page that advocates doing the same exact things to women, you will enable, support and defend that page while proudly proclaiming that everyone has the right to free speech, as long as they are advocating violence against women and not anyone else.

You cited the fact that comedians have had rape jokes in the past, using that precedent as a justification for maintaining and enabling rape pages on Facebook. However, there is also a precedent for rape jokes being removed from the internet, also. Here's a good example of an online organization self-censoring "rape jokes" in response to public protest. http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/44930/twitter-fury-over-surprise-rape-article-gets-unilad-suspended

You might check out RAINN- the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network. None of the organizations you mentioned focus on helping rape victims. RAINN is one of the largest organizations providing support to rape victims. http://www.rainn.org

Marne Levine writes, "We strive to provide a platform where people can share, connect, and express themselves freely, while still respecting the rights of others." Do you really believe that Facebook's rape pages are respecting the rights of others?

If you do, then I strongly urge you take some time to reconsider and re-evaluate what it really means to respect the rights of others. Take all the time you need, because women deserve better than this. We all deserve better than this.

This response was written collaboratively by a group of women, representing hundreds and thousands of Facebook users from around the world who feel the same way about misogyny on Facebook.